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Song Rui · Sep 22, 2006, 02:41 AM // 02:41

But an ele or a necro is more effective. SS deals more damage than empathy, is aoe and has quick recharge too.

Hella Good · Sep 22, 2006, 03:52 AM // 03:52

As the wise man said "you can bring a horse to the water but you cant make it drink."

Effigy · Sep 22, 2006, 04:24 AM // 04:24

The major difference between ele and mesmer damage is resistance. Eles' nukes do pitiful damage against enemies with high level/armor, while mesmers' spells always deal the listed damage. So that Meteor Shower that says it's going to be doing 90+ may only end up dealing ~30dmg against a high level mob, whereas Backfire, Empathy, Clumsiness, etc will all be delivering as expected. The same goes for Spiteful Spirit, but you can certainly use it on a mesmer; Fast Casting cuts that 2 sec cast down considerably, same with Meteor Shower, Res Chant, etc. I think you can see where I'm going with this.

Mesmer in Need · Sep 22, 2006, 04:36 AM // 04:36

fcing really helps with ALOT of skills. anyone remember rezmers? 16 fc and all rez skills. useless but atleast no one would stay dead 4 long..
smae goes with nuking, spamming, etc etc.

Mindflash · Sep 22, 2006, 06:12 AM // 06:12

I play a lot of professions and I can say that a SS necro is not better than a mesmer. The SS necro shines when there is a lot of melee enemies in PVE, you can certainly spam 4 SS's in a mob and they will pretty much destroy the mob. But that's it, it won't work very good against casters or enemies that aren't really close to each other. And the necro won't be able to survive well if he get's targeted.

The mesmer is more independent and can bring skills to deal with any situation. He won't destroy a melee mob like the SS necro, but he can shutdown and quickly kill casters, can disable and do AoE damage to melee mobs (Energy Surge, Shatter Hex), and at the same time he is helping the team by removing a hex and reducing the damage that the enemy can do to his team.

All professions are made to complete each other, if there was a better profession like Necros and Eles we would only see 3 necros/3 eles/2 monks in pve parties. There is always a good use to every profession and each mission or area are particularly more interesting to certain professions.

Claudia Starlight · Sep 22, 2006, 06:34 AM // 06:34

and you're hoping that ANet will read this and decide to delete the mesmars?

Avarre · Sep 22, 2006, 07:51 AM // 07:51

I've been called overpowered before. It's been a long road since we were laughed at...

Song Rui · Sep 22, 2006, 09:35 AM // 09:35

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Originally Posted by Claudia Starlight

and you're hoping that ANet will read this and decide to delete the mesmars?

....If you'd read the thread, you'd realize your.............................

Song Rui · Sep 22, 2006, 09:36 AM // 09:36

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Originally Posted by Avarre

I've been called overpowered before. It's been a long road since we were laughed at...

Then they were either ignorant, or delusional. What are mesmers going to do for massive damage? Oh. they'll shut down ONE enemy.

Scourgey · Sep 22, 2006, 09:44 AM // 09:44

Shatter hex, backfire, cry, enchantment removal.

Mesmers aren't that powerful in PvE apart from these skills. I play mesmer a lot and I freely admit that other classes excel in damage and their roles.

In a 3 man party, I would never take a mesmer primary over say a SS necro or ele for damage.

However that said, if there are small number of powerful foes, mesmers are great, e.g. against titans they are great.

Song Rui · Sep 22, 2006, 09:44 AM // 09:44

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Originally Posted by Scourgey

Shatter hex, backfire, cry, enchantment removal.

Mesmers aren't that powerful in PvE apart from these skills. I play mesmer a lot and I freely admit that other classes excel in damage and their roles.

In a 3 man party, I would never take a mesmer primary over say a SS necro or ele for damage.

However that said, if there are small number of powerful foes, mesmers are great, e.g. against titans they are great.

Finally. Someone who knows what they're talking about.

Dragannia · Sep 22, 2006, 09:47 AM // 09:47

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Originally Posted by Song Rui

Then they were either ignorant, or delusional. What are mesmers going to do for massive damage? Oh. they'll shut down ONE enemy.

Mantra of Recovery. Backfire. Empathy. Spam, spam, spam, while interrupting with Power Drain. That's multiple targets not exactly shutdown, but taking massive damage. In the case of casters, sometimes a single Backfire will kill it outright as enemy AIs cast through it. A good interrupt Mesmer can also skim through enemy targets looking for key interrupts/targets of opportunity. Mesmers also keep your team clean with things like Shatter Hex, dealing massive damage to surrounding enemies. Shutdown, in PvE, means nothing. So don't bother talking about it. Pure Mesmers in PvE are about interrupts and caster/melee punishment.

Song Rui · Sep 22, 2006, 09:48 AM // 09:48

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Originally Posted by Dragannia

Mantra of Recovery. Backfire. Empathy. Spam, spam, spam, while interrupting with Power Drain. That's multiple targets not exactly shutdown, but taking massive damage. In the case of casters, sometimes a single Backfire will kill it outright as enemy AIs cast through it. A good interrupt Mesmer can also skim through enemy targets looking for key interrupts/targets of opportunity. Mesmers also keep your team clean with things like Shatter Hex, dealing massive damage to surrounding enemies. Shutdown, in PvE, means nothing. So don't bother talking about it. Pure Mesmers in PvE are about interrupts and caster/melee punishment.

AI doesn't always cast through backfire. Infact, quite rarely.

Akuma · Sep 22, 2006, 09:54 AM // 09:54

It's Song Rui, you can't possibly take him seriously.

GameFAQs boards come into mind here....

Avarre · Sep 22, 2006, 10:18 AM // 10:18

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Originally Posted by Song Rui

Then they were either ignorant, or delusional. What are mesmers going to do for massive damage? Oh. they'll shut down ONE enemy.

I shudder to think what kind of mesmers you've played with if they only shut down one enemy.

You also miss the fact of all the other things mesmers can do... I can drok run, solo monk Thunderhead, farm, deal powerful damage in most zones, and the list goes on...

Anyways, I don't really feel like pulling out the data again.. but in a heavy hex endgame area (urgoz etc), echo/glyph shatter hex has more damage potential than meteor shower, dealt faster (factoring in things like recharge time). Meteor shower hits later with knockdowns, which is why mesmers and eles are best used together rather than having many of only one.

There are quite a few mobs that DO cast through backfire on occasion, and every time they do you've dealt roughly the damage of two ele fireballs - on top of discouraging AI casts, acting as pseudo-shutdown.

Song Rui · Sep 22, 2006, 10:22 AM // 10:22

Meteor Shower is scrub.

And congrats on being able to solo all those places...proof post haste.

mon i n33d teh info

Avarre · Sep 22, 2006, 10:44 AM // 10:44

I didn't actually mention any soloing (defining as 1-person exploration and killing). Your ability to read is matched only by your ability to spell.

You've had plenty of info, you just pointedly disadknowledge it.

Interrupts
Prevent and deal damage

Domination spells
Huge potential dps, armor ignoring

Semi-shutdown of backfire
Heavy caster damage

Hex removal
Quick hex removal for damage/energy

xDusT II · Sep 22, 2006, 10:44 AM // 10:44

Mesmer = Indirect Damage
Indirect Damage = Takes some THOUGHT to be effective.

Emptahy vs SS

SS is an elite. Nuff said.

My Mesmer is Anti-everything and I love it. You need to KNOW how to play a mesmer to be a good msmer. And the first thing to know about mesmers in PVE is that all those simple damage only skills generally blow (Energy burn)

WW is a great spam skill that if combined with say, arcane conundrum, can REALLY rack up insane damage.

Fragility spikes with Virulence cause pain.

Shatter Hex, Shatter Delusions, all sweet.

LTP or Go Home Please.

Song Rui · Sep 22, 2006, 11:05 AM // 11:05

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Originally Posted by Avarre

I didn't actually mention any soloing (defining as 1-person exploration and killing). Your ability to read is matched only by your ability to spell.

Oh yeah go and make personal attacks. My spelling is fine. I did that earlier in the topic on purpose to test if people would argue the point or do what you just did. hah.

Claudia Starlight · Sep 22, 2006, 12:08 PM // 12:08

And what is your purpose of starting this thread?
To make people angry by thinking they're playing a useless class?

Mesmers help to kill things faster, they're damage amplifiers in PvE.
Toss Backfire on a stupid healer mob and watch him die, or cast empathy on a war, or echo-energy surge to *nuke* the hell out of a group, and also they DEGEN the crap out of stuff

Go to Nahpui Quarters (mission) and take out Hai Ji (mesmer boss) first and see if it's easier than doing it the other way around

SS is an elite, Empathy is a normal skill. Go figure.

Again, i question your rationale on making this topic. Using retarded spelling while making poorly justified opinions just does not make any sense to me.